treacherousgodswrites asked:
Accurate Demographics of Fantasy - Alexandria
(If you’re wondering why the Native and the Indian mods are answering this, we’re doing so only for the historical and linguistic aspects, with Yasmin’s okay).
In 300 BCE there wasn’t any such thing as a single “Arabic,” but rather a collection of central Semitic dialects with various levels of mutual intelligibility. These are usually grouped under “Old Arabic” but since that designation stretches from 900 BCE until Classical Arabic was codified with the Quran in the early 7th century CE there was a whole lot of room for geographical and historical variation.
There is some fragmentary evidence of these dialects written in Greek scripts, showing the interaction between Greek and Arabic culture of the day but this is really sparse and may in fact consist of just one inscription. So while we can see that clear overlap between Greek and Arabic speaking areas, it’s also pretty clear that the Arabic of the time was very different from Classical or Modern Arabic varieties.
If it’s accuracy you’re after, you may want to look into Demotic Egyptian. That was the Greek-influenced descendant of the ancient Egyptian language that would have been spoken in Alexandria in 300 BCE and there is actually a fairly good amount of information on it out there if you just want to get a feel for the sound and look of the language.
For instance, this dictionary: [http://oi.uchicago.edu/research/publications/demotic-dictionary-oriental-institute-university-chicago]
The one peril I see with this may be infringing on the sensibilities of Coptic Christians, as Demotic is an ancestor of Coptic, the liturgical language of Coptic Christianity. As Coptic Christians are a small and marginalized group, I don’t know how they’d feel about this. I also don’t know what precisely you plan to do with the language in your story, or if it’s just words thrown in occasionally for a bit of flavor. Be warned, learning a foreign language enough to do accurate translations is every bit as much work as inventing a language wholesale, just of a different kind.
~Mod Nikhil
Islam was only a religion starting in 610 AD, so you’re about a millennia early for having Islam (or 300-400 years shy for Christianity, which Islam needs to exist) even be a consideration for Hellenistic Egypt. Take a closer look at what religions existed at the time to get an idea what the religious tapestry would look like, but you’ll be looking at primarily ancient Greek and Egyptian paganism, with a mix of whatever other religions were around at the time (if you include abrahamic religions as a whole, Judaism will likely be a consideration, as well).
Arab peoples predate Islam, and it would actually be odd not to have them in Egypt. The Hellenistic empire stretched out across the Arab world, around the Mediterranean and even to the Himalayas. Cleopatra very likely spoke at least one dialect of Arabic, because she made it a point to be able to discuss trading agreements in the traders’ language.
The City of Alexandria was a trade port. This means everybody from all over the empire and some people who weren’t part of the empire would go there to trade. Any books they brought would be taken, copied to the Library, and (sometimes) returned to their owners. The primary reason the Library of Alexandria was so good is because it contained a copy of nearly all knowledge in the Ancient World, which would have included Arab peoples for certain. It would’ve also included knowledge from deeper in the African continent, Greece, and many parts of Asia (India and China aren’t out of the question, especially since there is evidence Han Purple— painted on the Terracotta Warriors— came from Egyptian Blue, and was used from 1045 BC to 300 AD, meaning there was trade between the two countries somewhere before that time, and it was unlikely to have discontinued).
So in fact, your worry is reversed: if you don’t have a wide variety of peoples from all over Africa, Asia, and Europe, then Alexandria will ring untrue. It was the NYC of the ancient world, a trade hub and a knowledge hub. Everyone who wanted to learn and sell would go there to do so, which means you’re looking at a very diverse city. Since you’re going with geography, you have to have it play the same route— a city on an ocean and a river would not be anything but a mosaic (or melting pot, but from my limited research into Alexandria, it seems to have been more of a mosaic; individual peoples’ traditions were more likely to be preserved then assimilated).
~Mod Lesya
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